Anna [00:00:00]:
Recording.
Mahara Wayman [00:00:04]:
Welcome to the podcast, where we talk to inspiring individuals who have forged their path in life and are dedicated to helping others do the same. Today, we have the pleasure of speaking with Anna Campbell, a career consultant, coach, and the founder of Reclaim Your Lane. Anna firmly believes that we all have the power to create the life and career we want by breaking free from the expectations, fears, and the excuses that hold us back. In this episode, Anna shares her personal journey of reclaiming her lane and provides insights and practical tips to help you do the same. So sit back, relax, and get ready to be inspired and empowered to take control of your own life. Here's Anna Campbell. Anna, welcome.
Anna [00:01:08]:
Hi. I'm beyond excited to be here. Mahara hello.
Mahara Wayman [00:01:12]:
Hello. So beyond excited. I love that.
Anna [00:01:18]:
Absolutely. Even as you're talking, then, I'm just thinking how aligned what you do and what I do through Reclaim Your Lane is in terms of empowering others to take ownership and feel back in control of their lives. So I'm really excited to have this conversation today.
Mahara Wayman [00:01:34]:
Well, we're going to have fun today before we get into talking about your business. And by the way, that's a fabulous business name, Reclaim Your Lane. But before we get into that, would you mind telling a little bit about your story, where you're at, where you live, what you do and how you got there, so that our listeners have a little bit of a background on you?
Anna [00:01:58]:
Yeah, absolutely. So, hello, anyone that's listening? So a little bit of background to me. So my background has typically been working in the HR space, so human resources of lots of amazing global companies. I've always been supporting people with their career and their professional development. Just absolute love of mine to see people kind of reaching their potential. And I suppose there was a real kind of turning point for me where I realized for my own sake, I wanted to kind of pivot in terms of what I was doing, but also real moment of self reflection. And acknowledgment of my own strengths and badass skills, if you will, that I could bring to others which led me to create reclaim your Lane. So through Reclaim Your Lane, I typically help people one on one, navigate those tricky career crossroads that overwhelm and really move them out of feeling stuck into building a career on their own terms. So that's what I'm doing now, alongside some of my HR work, also career consultancy. It's pretty jampacked and varied, but, yeah, my sole kind of mission and purpose is to empower others to feel back in control of their career. Reclaim your lane. Absolutely spot on. Mahara in terms of you've got the understanding of what that means. So, yeah, helping others reclaim their lane.
Mahara Wayman [00:03:23]:
Well, I ought to tell you, I'm super curious. When did you ever feel the need to do that? So can you think of a time in your career when you were I'm not quite sure what's going on here because often when I talk to guests on the show, there's a moment when they have to make a decision. And I'm curious what that moment was for you.
Anna [00:03:47]:
Yeah, I think quite often. I mean, we were all in our careers. Whatever type of career path we're on, we'll always have those moments of uncertainty and having to make a decision. But I think for a lot of us, we'll reach a point where it's actually a little bit deeper than that, where we start to really hold the mirror up to ourselves and think about, god, what is it that I actually want to do? The pandemic, for example, was a really confronting time for so many of us where work and life boundaries were blurred and we were really faced with, gosh, isn't life short? And so it triggered so many people to think about, what is it I actually want from my career, from my life, what's fulfilling? Et cetera. So I think there are lots of moments people have in terms of navigating decisions and turning points in career. But I notice now, for a lot of people, there are actually those deeper reasons and reflections. And I can tell you about my own if that's something you'd like to hear.
Mahara Wayman [00:04:51]:
Oh, hello. Yes, I would love to hear that. I'm just going to preface this for our audience. You are not alone. So if you are in a career right now and you're questioning or if you are thinking about changing careers, or if you are a stay at home mom or wherever you are, and you have that niggle of unhappiness or uncertainty, I want you to know that you're not alone. So, yes, Anna, that is exactly what I'd love to hear from you, because I'm sure there are people listening that can relate. So take us back.
Anna [00:05:22]:
And just before I do, mahara, that word you use, niggle, it's such a great word to describe that, knowing that intuitive sense that something needs to change. And I think for me so to take you back to the beginning, I've grown up in an all Catholic girl school, very kind of traditional trajectory in terms of you do the exams, you go to university, you then kind of get a grad job, and then if you're lucky, you get promoted, more pay, et cetera. It felt very linear. I could see I had to pick a career path, et cetera. And I think when I hit well not think. I know when I hit my 30s. There was a real kind of confronting life moment, really, where for any women that any females listening will certainly know. When you reach that particular age comes a lot of societal pressure in terms of starting a family and settling down and having being at a particular stage of your career. And I realized there were not only just the traditional success measures in the career world in terms of where you should be, should be, we'll come back to that, but also from kind of a life point of view as well. Family, selling down, have bought a house, all these things. My kind of turning moment was I had been in London for about ten years with my now husband and we made the move up to Yorkshire, so to the north of England, which is quite a big change for us. I moved cities, I didn't know anybody here, my family went here, my friends went here, and it really just forced a moment of actually I didn't have a sense of belonging anymore. I felt a little bit displaced and it really kind of rocked me more than I thought. I really was thinking about actually, what does my life currently look like? The things that do matter to me. And career was also part of that. So it was a really just unsettling time for lots of aspects of my life. And I'd had basically a niggle that something needed to change in my career for a while. But the upheaval of everything in my life really compounded that now with everything going on and all positive now, by the way. You go through these journeys. And I'm in such an incredible place now. But it really forced me to think about, gosh, who am I anymore? What do I want? I've done these things where I've done the tick boxes, but I'm not happy. I've got the list, the laundry list of house, husband, career, friends, et cetera. But something was missing, something was out of alignment, wasn't clicking anymore, so I sat with that for ages and actually it was a pretty lonely time for me because I felt, gosh, I should be so grateful and so looking for everything.
Mahara Wayman [00:08:32]:
I just want to jump in here and say, there's that word again, should. And people that know me know that that's a real trigger for me. So, yes, we are going to come back to that.
Anna [00:08:42]:
Yeah, I should be grateful, I should be kind of not wanting more or not wanting change. What's wrong with me? Why am I not kind of satisfied or happy, et cetera? But this niggle just continued to grow in me. But because I kept that internal, held it very close internally, it actually started to affect how I felt and how I behaved with my husband, my family, my friends. I started to distance myself, I became disengaged at work, demotivated all the things that I'm absolutely not. It was very out of character for me and it took me a long time to really stop and notice that. And there was one moment, just one Sunday, where I felt like I couldn't really get up and get out of bed and it was just so unlike me. It was a beautiful sunny day and I was just like, I just can't and then I realized and just sat with myself and thought, something has to change. Now this niggle is telling me my health. I didn't feel that great in myself, just everything. So honestly, it was just a real decision and commitment to just make a change. I didn't know what that change in action was going to be, but I just made that decision.
Mahara Wayman [00:10:01]:
Okay. How difficult was it to make the decision to courageously admit you needed to change.
Anna [00:10:14]:
When push came to shove? I want to say, like, pain of sitting where I was in that uncomfortable stage. The pain of the making the decision or the hardship of the decision was way easier than continuing to sit in that feeling that I was in. Does that make sense?
Mahara Wayman [00:10:35]:
Yeah, it makes perfect sense. And I love that you said that because that's actually a really great way to explain it. And it's a motivational concept that we use quite a bit in coaching, which is picture feel the pain of where you're at. Maybe sometimes we even rate it on a scale of one to ten, what's that feel like? And then picture the pain of making a change or making emotion or taking one step forward. And when you weigh it, you're like, well, actually it's way harder to stay put. It's going to be easier to make that change. So congratulations on that. But I'm really curious now, what's the first thing you did? Okay, you felt terrible and you've had that niggle that's been growing for months. Maybe you finally wake up one day and say, okay, I'm going to make a change. You said you didn't know what it was, but what did you end up doing? What was the first change?
Anna [00:11:28]:
Yeah, really good question. So the first thing, I just was making the decision that I was drawing a line in the sand and very much facing forward, and it was a commitment I was making to myself. The second thing was that it sounds really basic, but I just made some space for myself. I literally took a notepad and I went to the park and I just sat with these blank pages and thought, I just need to get down everything that's in my head and give myself the space to just digest everything because I've been distracting myself. I had been ignoring some of the feelings I've been having and just kind of putting excuses around it, basically. So the second thing I did was just really give myself a space and empty my brain of everything that I thought was going on for me and really just got that down jump to carry on in terms of what I continued. Yeah.
Mahara Wayman [00:12:25]:
Emma, I'm waiting with bated breath. Third thing you did?
Anna [00:12:29]:
The third thing I did was I actually went and sort out some. I wasn't looking for journal prompts, but just some. You know what? I think I might have even Googled, like, feeling stuck, what do I do? Sort of thing. And then I came across some amazing people like yourself, Mahara, who offer that just really simple but powerful questions to reflect and sit with. And I was just like, wow, I haven't done any personal self development for ever. Actually, it's probably the truth. I've spent my whole career in life helping others. I haven't paused to give myself the time to reflect and really think about what it is I want. And that was such an important moment. So Google help. Where do I go? How do I navigate some of this? And came across some amazing guidance I could say that I know you provide to your clients in terms of that kind of journaling question, and it really then just triggered and grew into a real personal development love that I had. I read an amazing book which helped me identify my zone of genius in this book called The Big Leap. So it was about recognizing what I was great at, but also but what is my zone of genius? Where am I meant to be? And that provided some real clarity for me. Clarity. You got to sit with yourself. You got to ask yourself the tough questions. You've got to get that clarity first in terms of what it is you want. That's probably the first thing you have to do. There's no point running off, trying to go different directions in the career space, applying for different jobs and doing all these things when you're feeling so deeply. That niggle and that call for change, you've got to be really clear on what that is next.
Mahara Wayman [00:14:15]:
I love it, and I love that you highlighted that so often women just go and we do for others and we ignore what it is that we need. And I think that's so true. I'm sure that there are many listeners that are nodding their heads, going, oh, my gosh, I've been there. Yeah. The career path or society tells us to be a certain way and do a certain thing. So I'm really curious what was the reaction or the response of those around you when you went, I'm not going to be that person anymore. I'm going on this journey. Did you notice anything change between you and your friends or your partner or your husband or your coworkers when you decided to sort of brush yourself off and forge the new Anna?
Anna [00:15:04]:
Yeah, massively. And I've got some real kind of different end of the scale reactions. But first of all, I think sometimes you try and solve it all yourself in your own head, and you forget that you've got people around you that kind of love and care for you and are there to kind of give you advice and give you their support. And so not that I couldn't believe. But when I discussed it with my husband and my family about what I wanted to do in terms of my new direction, which would eventually lead to kind of setting up my own business, the support was just incredible to the point where it made me think, why did I not do this before? Why did I sit with this so long? And there have been moments on the other end of the scale where I've outgrown some people because of that personal development, people that perhaps haven't been so supportive, not in a malicious way, but just couldn't understand the direction or change that I was making in myself, but also my kind of choice of path. So that can happen at times, but you realize that these people played a part in your life for the right moment of time, but actually it's okay to outgrow some people, and then you find this whole group of new people you never knew existed that are there for you at this new time. And it's just incredible that you find new, like minded people, and it's just the opportunity and all those things that come with it. It's just amazing. So do it. Whatever you're hesitating on, whatever you're thinking about, go for it. I promise you, you really won't regret it.
Mahara Wayman [00:16:37]:
All right, so let me think. If I can just recap here. Beautiful, happy upbringing, lots of friends, lots of family, went to school, chose a career, went along the career path, started to feel a niggle of unhappiness or something. Continued one day on a beautiful Sunday, realized I can't get out of bed, and that's not me. You did get out of bed. You grabbed paper, pen, went to the local park, and just did a brain dump, really honoring what it was that you were thinking. And that was the beginning of your transformation. Then you went out and actively looked for support, asked questions. And by the way, those of you that know me know that I'm all about gaining clarity, and I love to ask a good question. So I actually teach my clients how to ask great questions of themselves. So I think that's really key, Anna, that you were willing to do that. How long until you decided to start reclaiming your lane? I'm curious.
Anna [00:17:36]:
Yeah. And I think just when I'm hearing you reflect it back, Mahara, it makes me realize and maybe this is something as, like, a learning for others, that it's just taking that first, next step. You don't have to know everything that's going to come, but if you just take that first, next step, like, for me, picking that pen and paper up and committing to go and just trying to get that clarity, it snowballs. And you just don't worry about everything ahead, just that next step. So, yeah, that's just something I wanted to call out from your recap there.
Mahara Wayman [00:18:07]:
Before you go on, I just want to add on to that because now you're making me think of something. I firmly believe that when we take that next step, we are sending a signal to the universe that we mean business. And I have this beautiful vision that when I do anything like that, all of my spirit guides sit up and they're like, oh, thank God Mahara is paying attention. Oh, good, we can help her on this next journey. So that really brings me joy. It makes me kind of smile when I think about it, but I just wanted to share that with our listeners. That really anna's right. It's not about knowing the whole thing because I'm just going to tell you this right now. The universe knows, always knows, and has a better plan than anything that you or I could think of. So just think of the one step. Do it, and everybody else is up to attention, right. Including actual friends and family, like, oh, wow, Anna wants that. Okay. Or oh, chief Mahara is doing that. I'm going to tell someone. So I just wanted to put that little bit in there that you're right? There's a reason why it's just the first step.
Anna [00:19:09]:
Yeah, absolutely.
Mahara Wayman [00:19:11]:
So, again, I digress. How long till you started your business?
Anna [00:19:16]:
So that was me, actually. That digressed. Apologies. You just said such a great thing, I had to jump on it. So for me, I then started to recognize, okay, some of my real strengths are creating the space for people and listening and really being able to kind of help guide people through the overwhelm. I invested in coaching, so I got myself a coach, and that was a scary thing to do at the time. It was very early on in the pandemic. It was a big financial investment. It's something I'd never done for myself before. You know, invest money in yourself, often you do it for other people, your family members, friends, all the things for everybody else but yourself. So I made that decision, discussed it with my husband, invested in a coach. And I can tell you now, it's the best thing I ever did, having someone else guide you and help you gain that clarity and hold that mirror up. So I got myself a coach, got myself a business coach. So alongside this, I was doing my qualifications to become an accredited coach. And I just knew that I had some great skills to be able to help people navigate, specifically their career. I've been on this journey my whole life in terms of supporting people professionally. I knew I had this gift of listening and being able to guide others. So it just felt like a real natural fit for me. And it wasn't even about, oh, I want to be an entrepreneur, I want to start a business. It was just, how can I help other people? And the outlet of that is through a business. So it wasn't being led by the business. It was being felt led by the desire to help others. And setting up my own business was the route to do that.
Mahara Wayman [00:21:04]:
I love that this is a beautiful segue into a question that I ask most of my guests, which is, why are you badass?
Anna [00:21:13]:
Why am I badass? Do you know what? I'm going to totally own this. And I think that's part of it. You've just got to whatever decision you're making, you're owning it. You're kind of putting the blinkers on and you're just creating a life, career, whatever it might be, creating a path on your terms now. And I think that's what I've made the decision to do. I haven't followed necessarily now, the status quo of how to do things. And I've just created a life that works for me, my husband, the life that we want to build. And I'm not apologizing for that at all. And I'm just loving it. So, yeah, just owning it, ditching the expectations, ditching the shoulds, no longer worrying about the things I should be doing, finally got there in the end. But I think that's probably what makes me badass. If I just say that the minute.
Mahara Wayman [00:22:08]:
You started to describe why you think you're badass or why you know you're badass, your face just lit, just went through the roof. And it's lovely to watch. And it's one of the reasons why I do these conversations and do the work that I do is it is so beautiful to see someone understand that they have it all already. And yes, it often needs appealing away of things that we've learned, things that we thought we should do, or things that we thought we should feel. But when we can peel that all away and own our decisions, just like you said, unapologetically, and stand up in front of the world and say, oh, this is who I am, this is what I believe in, or this is what I want to do, that's badassery at its best. So I love that you explained it that way. You mentioned that as a coach or as a career consultant, you know that you're really good at what you do. What is your superpower? Let's talk about that.
Anna [00:23:14]:
You know what, I often think people get a bit overwhelmed by, what is my superpower? It has to be something really unique and that nobody else has. But you know what? So my superpower is creating a safe space for people to openly talk about whatever it is they want to talk about and really having that ability to listen and then respond, but not respond to, solve, respond to. Really? Help prompt and challenge them further and really just delve a little bit deeper so that they can get that kind of clarity and things that they're looking for. So really, it's listening and creating that space. And when you think about that, really on a basic level, listening is that a superpower? And that's where I think people can talk themselves out of possibilities of what they could do with their life and career, but it's the way you do it as well. It's how you show up. And what you bring to those kind of conversations for me is that space and having bring in my personality and my openness and caring nature to create that space for somebody. So that's what I would say my superpower is. And I absolutely love seeing people make their own transformations. So, yeah, not rocket science. I'm not sending anyone to the moon on a piece of technology or anything like that, but I'm super confident in what my superpower is, and I know it's helping others.
Mahara Wayman [00:24:48]:
I know it is too. And I just want to say, I see you and I'm so proud of you because it sounds easy, but really bringing owning your owning your energy and have it be an energy of love and growth and support and acceptance, that's not always natural. Like, it doesn't always come naturally. And I think you're right. It is a superpower to create an energy of such acceptance that people with the right support and questions will go, oh, my goodness, I didn't know that about myself. Right? That is a superpower. I love it. I love it. So when did you first realize that you had this gift? Because it is a gift, I think thank you.
Anna [00:25:39]:
Often, I think when you reflect back, once you start to identify what your superpower is, you reflect back and be like, oh, yeah, you realize you've probably been doing it your whole life in some way. So starting to think about what is it people come to me for? So I knew friends, family people would recommend other friends come to me for a bit of support in their career and guidance probably on the kind of very practical level, because I worked in the kind of human resources careers type of space. But I kept getting more and more people kind of say, oh, you should talk to Anna. She's great at giving advice and helping. And when I would have those conversations, people would go deeper than just how do I talk to my manager? Or how do I apply for that promotion? And I got that really nice feedback and thanks for, like, gosh, I realized I needed that conversation for so long. But even outside of the career space and I think about the role I play with friends, I'm very much the mother hen type friend, where people come to me to talk or to share or to kind of figure things out. So there's seeds planted throughout your whole life. Roles have played in school and committees and things like that. You just start to notice when you identify and reflect back that actually there's a thread through your whole life of what your superpower has been. And when you recognize it and start to nurture it, that's when the good stuff comes.
Mahara Wayman [00:27:13]:
I think it's Steve Jobs actually said something almost identical to that, which is when you're in it, you can't see it moving forward, but when you reflect back on your life, you can see all of the things that connected, just like you said. Breadcrumbs. That's awesome. I'm curious, though, because as you were describing it, I went back and I was picturing you with your friends and hanging out. Was there ever a time where you were, like, annoyed? Part of you was pissed that people kept coming to you with their problems? That just came up with me intuitively. Do you think? Has that ever been an experience?
Anna [00:27:49]:
Yeah, honestly, probably. No, not really. I think it's always just been the space where I felt wanted and needed and belonged. That point that I mentioned very beginning about that slightly feeling lost and that sense of belonging missing, that's where I felt I belonged and where I was my best. So, no, I've never actually minded that at all.
Mahara Wayman [00:28:21]:
I think it's really interesting that you have connected this recognition of where you belong, where you feel good, and perhaps that's been your call and you feel good about it because that's your calling. So I think it's really interesting and important for us to recognize when we are doing self reflection, one of the questions that I ask, or that we both ask people, is, so what does that feel like? How does that feel? Because our emotions are so important on Gauging, where we're at, and many of us squash our emotions down, especially if we think of them as being negative, then we don't even want to deal with them. But really what I'm hearing from you is listen to your emotions, ask yourself questions. You're very fortunate, Anna, in that all along it made you feel good and luckily you ended up embracing it fully, which, by the way, people, that's part of being a badass is owning what you want and love and embracing it. So great example of that. So I do have a question for you, though. How would you describe Anna pre personal development? Was she much different than the Anna today? And if so, how?
Anna [00:29:45]:
That is a very good question. I describe it as a little bit like I'm still who I am, same person, but just totally elevated to another level and almost like I'm thinking like that caterpillar butterfly sort of situation. Yeah, I think my values, who I am at the core, that hasn't changed, but I'm so attuned to it now and I just feel like I just feel like I'm thriving in this I want to say improved version of me. It's not a new version, it's just growth. It's just this elevated version of me, but where I'm just totally owning it now and knowing firmly who I am. I think part of my previous issues, not even issues, something I'm really aware of, was my tendency to people, please. So I'd almost fit myself around what other people would expect and into different kind of boxes. And to some degree, I'm still very much, like, concerned what some people think at times, but now it's much further down the list. I'm not led by that. So I think I'm just an elevate version of myself who I'm focusing on pleasing myself and not kind of prioritizing others and what others need and want before my own. Because actually, when I do that, when I put myself first, I'm the best version of myself in every aspect of my life. So, yeah, I'd summarize it with that. I'm the best version of myself right now.
Mahara Wayman [00:31:20]:
Okay, I'm getting the chills. I love the way that you explain that, and I'm going to swing it, connect it back to something you said earlier, which was all around setting boundaries. And I know that there are listeners out there, and I include myself in that, that have had times in my life where I really struggled to set a clear boundary. And now you're confirmed an admitted people pleaser from before. How does it feel when you set a boundary today? Is it difficult or does it come a little bit easier?
Anna [00:31:55]:
It's still difficult, and I think it's just a constant learning and adapting because the truth is you do have other people in your life and you do have priorities that don't always put you at the center, but I think it's just constantly reflecting and adapting on what went well about this particular day. What could I have done better or protected to get a different type of result at the end of the day? You know, if you're getting home on a Friday at the end of such a busy week at work and you're just drained and exhausted and you're going into the weekend with your family with nothing left to give, reflect like pause and think, what could I have done differently? Time, boundaries, whatever it might be. Boundaries with other things in terms of getting your good sleep and your eating right and all those things, what could you put in place to protect who you want to become, who you're becoming? Because until you do, you're not going.
Mahara Wayman [00:32:57]:
To become that person that's beautiful and very powerful. Protect the person that you are becoming. And wow, I love that. I think I want a T shirt that says that maybe on business cards. But what it comes down to, and I love that you're bringing this up, Anna, is we cannot ask the world to see us if we do not see ourselves first. So tell the world you're worth by first acknowledging it. And it sounds like you had that epiphany that Sunday where you really acknowledged who you were and what was working and perhaps what wasn't. So setting boundaries is definitely a component, I think, of being badass, and I think a really great way of thinking of setting boundaries is it's actually a gift because you are gifting not only for yourself but for the world or your partner or your boss. You are telling them exactly what to do to make you happy. Right? I'm sorry. I don't take calls after 09:00 at night and if you call me, if you don't do that, then I'll be happy with you. Right? You'll be happy and I'll be happy. So it's a slightly different way of looking at setting a boundary for me. For years I didn't want to do that like you. I didn't want to rock the boat. I may not have wanted to do something but I would do it, especially at work. But when we're able to say actually this doesn't work for me, typically the other person is like oh okay, I didn't know. Oh my goodness, I didn't know. Thank you for telling me. So I love that you brought up setting boundaries. Is there anything else that you think really epitomizes your growth and your feeling of being badass?
Anna [00:34:50]:
Good question. I think one thing that really stands out to me is catch yourself on comparison because I think at times when you are wanting something more or different or you're feeling like that niggle for change, the worst thing you can do is go and see what everybody else is doing because then you fall down this rabbit hole. Social media can be a tricky one for that. When you say gosh, they're living this type of life, have this type of job, have this kind of experiences and you fall down this rabbit hole of comparison. So really bring yourself, create that space, that protection around you really at that point where you are navigating and trying to seek that clarity. Drown out all the things that could become a distraction in that kind of comparison, that type of space. So really kind of create boundaries around yourself to give you the best possible chance to get that clarity. That would be the first thing that I would say is kind of a piece of advice. Second thing is, again, it sounds really minor, but take pen to paper because often things spin around in our mind and they sound great but then suddenly you've got to go and do the big shop and you've got to pay the mortgage and all the life things that kind of fill your brain. The minute you put pen to paper is the minute you are really making that commitment to starting that action. It's something about really kind of getting it out and putting onto paper, making it reality I guess is the first thing. So take pen to paper and just I know you've got some great resources Mahara, and you know there's some great things online now that you can get access to that are just really simple questions to help you reflect and give yourself the opportunity to start to learn a little bit more about yourself. Very simple day to day things. What went well today? What did I do really well today? And if you answer that question every single day for a couple of months, what did I do really well today? You'll very quickly see a pattern of where your badassery lies. So there are kind of a couple of practical tips that along the lines of what you wanted.
Mahara Wayman [00:37:09]:
I love it. Well, yeah, because I say this all the time is my definition of badassery isn't necessarily yours. And so, for everybody listening, there is no right or wrong. It's not a checklist. I think Anna actually mentioned that earlier. It's not a case of checking off list. It really is, in my opinion, humble opinion, a case of authenticity. Who are you really? I know that many of us have to put on we feel like we need to put on a face for the corporate world, for example, or to leave the house. We have different personas, maybe. But I would encourage you to never let that totally cover up who you are, because you're amazing. Right inside. You're amazing. And your wants, your dreams, your desires, they matter. Being badass is whatever it means to you, and it's whoever you are, it's just being yourself, right? It's just being authentic, and I love that. Anna, you've shared some of that journey with us today. Ladies and gentlemen, we have been talking to Anna Campbell, supreme badass in the career space. She is the owner and founder of Reclaim Your Lane. Her specialty is helping you understand and navigate your career choices, and she's an absolute delight. If you would like to learn more about Anna, just check the show notes afterwards, or, yeah, they'll be there all along. But, Anna, thank you so much for joining me today. I've loved chatting with you, as always, and really appreciate the honesty that you've brought to this conversation. Thank you so much. We'll talk to you again. That's it for this episode, everyone. We'll see you next week. Bye.
