Mahara Wayman [00:00:06]:
Welcome to The Art of Badassery, where I explore what it takes to live life on your own terms, break free from the status quo, and unleash your inner badass. Whether you're a rebel at heart or simply seeking inspiration to step outside your comfort zone, this podcast is for you. I'm your host, Mahara Wayman, and each week I dive into the stories, insights and strategies of those who have mastered the art of badassery and are living life to the fullest. They smile when no one is looking. Hey, everyone. My name is Mahara. Welcome back to The Art of Badassery for another enlightening episode of my podcast. Today, I'm so pleased to introduce you to this beautiful guest, whose journey is a testament to the power of transformation, passion, and purpose. Join me in welcoming Elizabeth KIPP to the show. Hailing from the vibrant city of Wilmington, Delaware, elizabeth's journey beautifully marries her academic pursuits with her heartfelt mission. Armed with a BS in Plant science from the prestigious University of Delaware, elizabeth's dreams initially set sail in environmental policy. With a vision of becoming a policymaker, she aspired to be a driving force behind positive change for our beautiful planet. But as life often does, it took Elizabeth on a unique path, leading her to the charming city of Lawrence, Kansas, which she now calls home. A modern Renaissance soul, elizabeth has beautifully woven her passions and expertise into a tapestry of healing and holistic well being. In her current role as a stress management and historical trauma specialist and an ancestral clearing practitioner, she reaches across the globe to touch lives and instigate profound change. Now, beyond her professional endeavors, elizabeth's heart dances to the rhythms of yoga, resonates with the soothing melodies of nature, finds solace in the melodies of music, and is deeply enriched by connecting with people from all walks of life. Her diverse interests and empathetic nature have carved her a space where she guides individuals towards a healthier, more harmonious existence. Today, we are in for such a treat as we delve into her journey from the beautiful landscapes of her academic dreams to the global expanse of her healing practice. We will talk about how her background in plant science has seamlessly interwoven with her current holistic pursuits and how her dedication to wellness has blossomed into a beacon of hope for those in need. So you know the drill. Get your favorite drink, get your headphones on, and prepare to really sink into this beautiful story. It is one of a living testament to the power of embracing change, channeling passion, and becoming a force for good in the world. Elizabeth, I'm so excited to chat with you. Welcome, welcome.
Elizabeth Kipp [00:03:15]:
Thank you so much, Mahar, for that beautiful introduction. And I couldn't be happier to be we're.
Mahara Wayman [00:03:20]:
We're going to have fun. So many interesting things in your bio. But can you explain the jump from the academic world into the holistic world? Because, as I mentioned in the bio. That's an interesting weave, shall we say? How did that transpire?
Elizabeth Kipp [00:03:38]:
Well, that really happened as a big push from the universe.
Mahara Wayman [00:03:42]:
Okay, tell me. I love it when the universe pushes us into something.
Elizabeth Kipp [00:03:46]:
I was actually in a master's program in environmental studies here at the University of Kansas. After I got my bachelor's at University of Delaware, I was six credits short of a master's degree, and an old injury in my back became so unstable, I had to have surgery. And that was the end of that. That was the end of my master's degree. I had followed by four surgeries to try and stabilize. It was a break and a slip in my fifth lumbar in the spine. My fifth lumbar broke. It's the one right above the sacrum, and it broke in two, front to back, and it slipped forward 80% into my pelvis and pulled the leg nerves with it. And doctors were worried I wouldn't be able to walk, and it was causing a lot of pain, and so it took a few surgeries to stabilize. I got hardware, and I'm kind of the bionic woman. I've got hardware, and they're holding me together, and it's kind of astonishing that I can walk again. And I had a lot of pain afterwards. The doctors weren't able to figure out how to fix the pain. They just said, well, you have chronic pain, and you're going to be that way for the rest of your life. Which I was like, yeah, really? I don't think so. Anyway, it took me 31 years to find a doctor who really understood the nature of chronic pain to heal it. So I had a total of 40 years before that surgery started, 40 years altogether, from the beginning of the pain to the end, where I suffered from chronic pain, and I finally found a doctor who understood the nature of chronic pain and guided me to heal. So I teach those methods. So the universe was like, no, you're not going into this. You need to be going over here. But the thing that was interesting was I had this deep grounding in science, and I had to study neurophysiology before I even got into plant science. I took a deep dive into neurophysiology at that time, which is much more known now, but at the time, I kind of understood basic human physiology, so I was kind of able to talk to the doctors. And I also had grounding in how to do research in science, so I knew how to ask questions and kind of formulate hypotheses and things like that. And I also had because of the plant science work, I had a deep understanding of ecosystems. And why is that important? Because it was systems analysis, and we all live in this from a holistic point of view. You can't separate mind body from spirit. We're all in one thing. We're all connected and understanding how systems work. And how they can easily be perturbed from one little change in the system that the whole system can get changed. I learned that I studied that in ecology, and then I got into this part of the world, and I was like I started studying spooky action. Not that I'm all that good at physics, but I understood enough about physics to be able to kind of fit all of this into, oh, this is why holistic healing works the way it does, and this is why Western medicine has a kind of a limited perspective, and they're kind of missing a few pieces. And that's why it took so long for me to find a doctor who understood chronic pain because he had a holistic model. He wasn't just looking at my back.
Mahara Wayman [00:08:03]:
Wow. So what I'm hearing is that, to your point, the universe started directing you long ago, even before the back pain, because it prepared you. You were prepared for what you had to go through with the understanding and the teaching and the learnings that you had to start with.
Elizabeth Kipp [00:08:22]:
Absolutely. It really started when I was a child. I had a mother who was bipolar and alcoholic, and she's kind of rage aholic and so very I never knew when she was going to be how. And it was hard for my brother and I because we were constantly on the lookout for when are we going to get in trouble kind of thing. That's a set up for chronic pain right there. And chronic pain just for everyone is not just physical. It's any pain that's felt physical, mental, emotional, spiritual, financial for three months or more, 15 days out of 30 for three months or more is chronic. The brain can't tell the difference between a broken bone and a broken heart. It's all the same signal. It hurts. And so when you're in this I don't know if I'm safe kind of space, that's a chronic pain. That's a set up for chronic pain. When the stress response is on all the time, it doesn't have a chance to rest. So that was really I didn't really understand how much pressure I was under when I was a child. I knew I was under pressure. I just didn't realize I mean, it kind of got normalized in my brain because that's the way my life was. I didn't understand how profoundly it affected me on all levels until I really until I was much, much older.
Mahara Wayman [00:09:53]:
Yeah, I think that's a really it's it's an interesting point that you bring up, and it's so important that we understand that there's always so much more to know. And to your point, as children, well, we all do the best we can with what we have, but let's be open to asking the question, yes, but what if what if this isn't normal that I feel this way? What if chronic pain can be healed, for example? What if this isn't the end what if I do walk? What if I don't succumb to what doctors are saying? So I love that you've obviously had this questioning attitude all of your life and that you found this doctor. And I'm curious, how long did it take you to find the doctor that actually helped you? You said 30 years.
Elizabeth Kipp [00:10:44]:
It took me 31 years to find him.
Mahara Wayman [00:10:49]:
Now, I have a question for you, though, Elizabeth. I'm curious, now that you found him, can you look back on your life and go, you know what? There were signs along the way. I could have maybe found something earlier, or was it really it took 31 years?
Elizabeth Kipp [00:11:02]:
No, it's the journey. That is the journey. Because this is amazing. When I met this guy's. Name is Dr. Peter Prescott. He passed away a few years ago, but he was exactly the same age as me. He grew up in the same town that my grandparents that lived and I used to visit in the the he played football at the University of Delaware while I was there. And we were tracking each other in time, geographically, until we finally met in California in his pain management program. It was like what?
Mahara Wayman [00:11:43]:
I love stories like that. So can you talk to us a little bit about what that pain management program was all about and why it was so different from what doctors had thrown at you or perhaps shared with you in the years prior?
Elizabeth Kipp [00:11:58]:
Well, yes, I can. So all the doctors before that were looking at my back and saying they were looking at my X rays because I don't know what the pain was. And so here's the thing. They didn't understand the nature of chronic pain. Peter did. You can have look at three different people with the same X ray look just like mine. You can look three different people and they'll have three different outcomes. One of them will be in chronic pain all the time, or one of them will be in chronic pain only when they're stressed. Or one of them won't have any pain at all. How do you explain that, just looking at the X ray? You can't. So when you look at the situation from a reductionist point of view, meaning just that one thing you're missing. And the question would be, what am I missing? And the question would be not oh, Elizabeth. And the question would be not the conclusion to the conclusion of the doctor saying, oh, you're not going to get better. You're going to be in level seven out of ten pain for the rest of your life. 24/7, you're going to be in a wheelchair when you're 40. They made that conclusion. They didn't leave any room for hope. And they assumed I wouldn't heal. They never asked the question, why isn't Elizabeth healing? Peter asked those questions right. And he also didn't care about my records or my X rays. He just blew me away. He said, I don't need to know any of that. I need to know who you are. And I was like, who the hell are you and where have you been all my life?
Mahara Wayman [00:14:06]:
You must have thought, okay, I've stepped into the twilight Zone. How soon into it did you realize that this was magic, magical? It's not magic. It's magical.
Elizabeth Kipp [00:14:17]:
Well, I actually thought I stepped into the twilight Zone when the doctors told me I wasn't going to heal.
Mahara Wayman [00:14:22]:
Fair enough.
Elizabeth Kipp [00:14:23]:
That's when I was like, yeah, this doesn't even feel right. And I've been so grateful for my science background because I could ask the question, what's wrong with this picture? And I had a gut feeling, and I was like, wait a minute. They're pronouncing that I'm going to be this way. That's not even science. That's not even science. Science is about probabilities. It's not about facts and scientific paradigms change. So they should have said, we don't understand chronic pain right now, but we we might later. But they didn't say that, you see. So I knew right off the bat that there was quite a limitation. There were blinders on these doctors, and they had something to bring to the table in terms of go for physical therapy and this and that, but they were missing the holistic piece, and they were missing the humility of remembering and realizing the limitation of their own model that they were working in. So they were telling me more about the limitation of the model they were working in than they were telling me about the human's body ability to heal. I hope that answers your question.
Mahara Wayman [00:15:43]:
It does. And I can't help but picture I have a lot of friends in the medical industry or profession, and we're all constantly talking about the same thing as about, my God, it's broken. So I'm picturing a bunch of doctors that are like, no, we've got to tell her something, and we don't know the whole picture, but we're just going to tell her what we know, and let's just wipe her hands of it. Let's give her an answer. And away you go. And it's just so sad because to your point, we are spiritual beings having a human existence, and we're not just bones and blood. We're not just the skeleton and all of the things that make up. There's so much more to it. So I'm curious, how long into your time with Peter was it before you saw a change, a difference, a lessening of the pain, or what was it that you saw?
Elizabeth Kipp [00:16:41]:
Yeah, so I was on those 31 years I talked to you about. I was on opiates and benzodiazepines antianxiety medicine that time, and so I was addicted. The last 15 years was fentanyl and Adavan. So that was a lot. He knew how to detox me as well. And he was detoxing a lot of us from this opiate benzo combo that a lot of doctors had us on at the time. And it took me ten, I think it was ten days detoxing in a hospital bed with a cocktail that he gave me to kind of calm the body from freaking out through all that. As we detox, I lost muscle tone, and I was quite weak when I was done, because ten days, five days in hospital, you lost all your muscle tone, and I was there ten. So they kind of poured me into a wheelchair when I got out of the bed, but I had enough strength to stand up, get out of the bed, stand up, and then get in the wheelchair. And when I stood up, I noticed something. I didn't have any pain in my back. And I was like, oh, my God. My back had hurt for 40 years. And I noticed his absence, and I was like, I'll take more of this. Peter never promised that. He only promised that he would help me balance my stress response. He never promised he'd take the pain away. It's not what he did. He said, I'll help you balance the stress response. And I was having panic attacks from the Anavan, from the benzos you give on those long term, and they're going to end up giving you anxiety instead of taking away. So I didn't know that. My doctor didn't know it, but Peter did. So I noticed a change right after in ten days. And I walked into that program with 40 years of chronic pain, and I walked out in 52 days with no pain at all. I had a lot of gut pain when I got up out of that. After ten days, I had gut pain still, but I didn't have any back pain. So it took 52 days, really, to clear all that. But that was astonishing. And the thing is that I wasn't the only one. He had a 94% success rate in that program.
Mahara Wayman [00:19:11]:
Life changing.
Elizabeth Kipp [00:19:12]:
Oh, absolutely, yeah, life changing for lots of us. It was amazing to see people go from you could see the imprint of the pain on their physiology and their expression and their kind of body language, and you could see them as we moved through the program, see them start to brighten up and change their stature and everything. It was quite interesting.
Mahara Wayman [00:19:38]:
So when you left the program 52 days later, standing up, pain free, I can just imagine you're a beacon of light and happiness. What were you thinking next for you? Like, okay, wow, I'm now feeling I'm a lot older than I thought I was going to be when I'm pain free, but I'm pain free. What were you thinking that you wanted to do with all that you'd learned?
Elizabeth Kipp [00:20:04]:
Well, I was going to paint track in the afternoon to see Dr. Peter. 20 of us were going there were 100 patients on campus, and 20 of us went to paint track, and the other 20 other 80 went to relapse school because it was a chemical dependency treatment center, and so I wasn't getting any education on relapse. So I asked my counselor one day, well, what's up with that? And she said this there's an 80% relapse rate in the first year for addiction. That was the sentence. And in my head, I was like, I'm doomed because I didn't like the ODS. And the second thing was, what's wrong with the model we're using? Because if we're getting an 80% relapse rate, we got to change up the model. And so I vowed in that moment that I would come out of the program, and I would dedicate my life to change moving that needle on the relapse rate. And that's why I got into what I do.
Mahara Wayman [00:21:15]:
Okay, thank you for sharing that. Now let's talk about what it is that you're doing today.
Elizabeth Kipp [00:21:23]:
Well, I took a deep dive into I mean, I continued to heal. I still had plenty of healing to do. And I took a deep dive into yoga as a way to move the issues out of the tissues, as they say. I looked at trauma and learned trauma informed yoga. I looked at different recovery models and addiction recovery models, and I remember Peter saying when I left, he said, you're not just a recovering addict. You're a recovering chronic pain patient. You make sure you take care of both of those. And I never really had a chance to ask him, dude, what's the difference between the two? Because I'm seeing a lot of similarities, but I held because he passed away. As I said, he passed away a few years later, and I just didn't get a chance to ask him that question. But I never forgot the question. And there are a lot of similarities, and the more I spend time with people in recovery from all kinds of addictions and people who are recovering from chronic pain, I don't see a whole lot of difference. I really don't. So I'm not really sure what he meant about that. But there's so much overlap. I'm not even sure the difference would be significant at this point. I never met an addict that wasn't a chronic pain patient first, and I haven't met a chronic pain patient that didn't have unresolved trauma in their system first.
Mahara Wayman [00:23:09]:
I'm just picturing this, and of course, I've got some notes pulled up in front of me, and I'm wondering if that's because I said that your role now. You've got a role currently stress management and historical trauma specialist. So can you explain to us a little bit? Because this may be new for some listeners. I have done some training myself. I'm not a trauma trained coach by any stretch. I'm trauma informed. But I totally understand that the body does not forget anything, right? The good, the bad, the ugly, the body holds onto it. But could you tell us a little bit more about how you work with patients that have had trauma and that it's just so bone deep, no pun intended. It's like right, it's in their system, in their bodies.
Elizabeth Kipp [00:23:59]:
Sure, I have a couple of approaches. This is why I've got so much training. If you look on my about page on my website, you'll see I've got all this training and I did it all very intentionally because there are all these different ways that you can help the client focus their attention in a way that will serve them in the moment. What I normally do with a new client is the first thing I do is assess their nervous system, the state of their nervous system. Are they dysregulated? And usually the answer is yes. And if they're Dysregulated, it means they don't feel safe. So the first thing I have to do is give them an experience where they feel safe. And that's very easily done with a three minute breath exercise. And once the nervous system goes, then we've got a connection and then they can learn something from me because there's this hierarchy to healing nervous system first, then you can connect, then you can learn. But if you've got a dysregulated nervous system, you can't learn and you're not going to be connected. You don't feel that sense of belonging. So there's a method to the madness. And so I do that exercise. That's the first thing I do. Then I listen to their story for about five minutes because I don't want them to give their story too much power. But there's a lot of power in being able to sit in front of somebody like me who's been on the journey and kind of knows the path of what it's like to live in chronic pain like that and have trauma to deal with. It's helpful to be seen and heard by someone else that has had a similar experience. So that's helpful. And then the next thing I do is I take them through ancestral clearing of recognizing that we come in with the gifts and the burdens of our ancestors and some of the stuff that we had, some of the information in the nervous system, in the epigenetic field, in the wiring of our behaviors came in from our ancestors. And thank God because that provides a lot of resilience for us and disease resistance and all kinds of great humor and all kinds of other things, right? But we also can come in with some things like worry energy which of course chronic pain is just going to accentuate if we've seen our mother and our grandmother constantly worry or maybe our father and grandfather, right? We see these behaviors and we kind of take them on and we kind of even come in with that frequency. So that's the next thing I do is I bring in this ancestral historical trauma piece and there's a process that I use and I bring that in and then I kind of see what's happening with the client, get the feedback, and then we kind of go from there. There's all kinds of tools I've got in my back pocket. Compassionate inquiry is a great that Dr. Gabor mate teaches. It's just a wonderful process of just holding presence. I love the process because it's different than kind of therapy. Therapy. You're going for an outcome, heal the patient. In compassionate inquiry, we're actually not going for any outcome except presence and providing a mirror for what the patient, the client, can see in the moment. And we're accepting of everything that's in the field. It's the most gentle, kind. There's no rush. It's a very interesting process. And I've really enjoyed bringing that kind of combining that with ancestral clearing as a method of just exploration for the client. Because I love the Socratic method, which means which is a way where the client answers their own questions because what do you want to do? You want to empower them and realize how powerful they truly are because they haven't seen that or they denied it, or it's been pushed down or for whatever reason, they don't realize their own power. My job really is kind of I used to call myself an empowerment coach, right? I could still say that. I just don't call myself that. But that's job, my tagline, is guiding you to unleash your healing power.
Mahara Wayman [00:29:13]:
I love it. And it sounds very similar to something that I do quite often with my clients. And I like that you brought up the difference between therapy and coaching because to your point, as coaches, we really want, just like you said, we want our clients to see that they have the knowledge, they have the wisdom. They may not have the knowledge, but they have the wisdom and they have the power to recognize in themselves what's going on. And one of the things that I use fairly regularly came out of the University of Santa Monica compassionate Self forgiveness. And it's a very simple exercise, and it sounds very similar to what you're saying, which is very laid back and it's like, so what's a story that you're telling yourself that actually doesn't work for you. There's lots of stories we tell ourselves that do work for us, which is great, but that's not what's causing you the burning pain in your gut. That's not what's causing you angst. And then we question the truth of it. And it's amazing. To your point, when you give people permission, they will come up with amazing things like, you know what? That is just not true. And then we encourage them to forgive themselves for believing it because that's all it is. It's a misunderstanding. You made an assumption, you put one on one together and you got four. So you can forgive yourself for believing that that action meant this about you, for example, right? And when you do that, then you can say, so what is true? And I've experienced it myself where I'm like oh my God, the truth is this and you're right, the whole energy is just through the roof and there's a lightness of spirit like oh my God, I'd forgotten that I was so beautiful. I forgot I haven't said that in so long or I haven't even thought it or felt it. So to your point, it is incredibly powerful when we calm the nervous system, allow clients and ourselves to feel safe with whatever comes up and allow that to just be without the expectation of you're going to walk out of here happy and do a little jazz kick or jazz hands at the end. It's not about that. It's about just being very present and being open.
Elizabeth Kipp [00:31:35]:
Exactly. Also one of the things that I've really I was so grateful to learn in the trauma space was our reactions, our habits, our accommodations, they're all things that we do to keep ourselves safe. And so if I have a part of me that's like trying to think, worried about, like, I woke up this morning, for instance, and I knew I had to do a certain thing today and I hadn't done it before. And there was a part of me was like, I'm going to go sit down in my yoga and calm this down. As I could feel my nervous system start to alert. But that's a part of me, that's a younger part of me that's trying to keep me say hey Lizzie, look out. We don't know what's coming down the know and that's certainly an old habit but it served me. So instead of going oh, not that again. I'm like thank you for sharing and letting me know and I know you're trying to keep me safe. And so we're in integrative process, we're not calling any parts of ourselves bad or any habit we have or accommodation or whatever you want to call it. They're all ways that at some point we kept ourselves safe in the past and maybe they're not serving us anymore but they served us at one time and that is a great people go oh I'm not wrong, I didn't do anything wrong.
Mahara Wayman [00:33:31]:
It's so important that we understand that and it kind of ties into something that comes up quite a bit in my podcasts and with my clients and in my own work is this idea that life happens for us, not to us. And if we can say, you know what, I'm doing the best I can with what I have. And all of my actions have been to keep me safe in some manner, it may not feel so good anymore, and I may not need it, but I don't need to ignore it, pretend it's not there, push it down, or feel badly about it. Because to your point, it's just a reminder. Hey. It's okay, and you can go. Yeah, I got this. Or good idea. Yoga, ten minutes. Meditate. Calm down, do the breath. So it sounds like really you've had some powerful AHAs on your journey to where you are today. I love it.
Elizabeth Kipp [00:34:25]:
Oh, yes, I had many powerful AHA. One of them I'll share because I just think it's so important. I knew that science had a lot of answers. I knew, but I also, because of my training as a research scientist, I knew it had a limitation. And I had this the first time the doctor said, oh, you're not going to ever get better. I was devastated because I believed them. And then I was like, this doesn't sound right. So I finally had this AHA moment where I was like, oh, we live in the all that is and we heal in the all that is. Science can only talk about the all it is, that it can measure, observe, measure, and describe. So it's staying in that space, so it heals. Its perspective is in that part, but we're bigger than that. So it elucidated for me. Oh, it has these bright lines. It can't talk about anything that it can't observe, measure, or describe, so it can't discuss the unseen. But in yoga, that's where we hang out there. In the spiritual word, we hang out there. But you can't put words on the unseen other than to give it a label. But you can't put words on that experience. It's too big. It's too big for the brain, and science can't talk about it. So our healing is in all of that. And that was huge for me. It gave me a wonderful perspective on what healing was and wasn't and what science could give and couldn't. And I'm not dissing science, I'm just naming its limitation.
Mahara Wayman [00:36:36]:
Well, I mean, let's be honest, science serves a purpose, right? We need it. But I love how you describe that, by the way, and I'm very visual. So as you were describing it, I could see. But yeah, there's so much more. It's almost like a few years ago, this was going around Facebook, and it's pictures of our galaxy, and you see all of the planets lined up and the relative sizes to each other and their size to the sun and the moon. It's all there. And then it says at the bottom, this is just one galaxy. And science tells us that there are 100 million galaxies. And when that made its way around and I looked at it, I was kind of like, I didn't even have the language to explain my awe. Even awe isn't the right word. So that's what I was picturing, as you were saying that. It's like, you know what? There is so much more out there than we are aware of, and if we can only just give ourselves permission to explore, obviously a lot of us do. And I happen to think that Gene Roddenberry, the creator of Star Trek, was light years ahead of his time because I actually think he was onto something. That's just my personal beliefs. There's so much more out there. And he looked at it with such joy and humor and some really deep meanings. But I am a Trekkie, but this is not a Trekkie podcast. However, I think it's so important that especially when we are struggling, whether it is a physical pain, an emotional pain, a mental pain, or a spiritual pain, that we take a breath to your point. Breathing is wow. Breathing is life. And give ourselves permission to ask, what could my life be? Yes, this is what it has been up until now, but what could it be? What would I like it to be? What do I want more of in my life? And if it doesn't fold out naturally in my circumstances, do I have the guts to go looking for it, even if I don't know what it is? And so I love what you're doing because I think you've spoken about it very beautifully and eloquently that you didn't take no for an answer. You're like, I'm going to keep looking because this doesn't make sense to me. And I'm so pleased that you found Peter, even though it took so many years and that you're doing the work that you're doing. Can you tell us a little bit more about well, I know I'm going to drop it in the show notes, everyone, how you can reach Elizabeth and find out more about the beautiful work that she's doing. But I would love to know, what is it that when you wake up in the morning, what is it that you say to yourself to what are some of the things that you say to yourself, sort of motivate yourself, and what are you looking forward to in the day?
Elizabeth Kipp [00:39:35]:
So my morning mantra is, thank you for another day to learn and serve in our school. Please let my words, actions and impact be the same as my intention and let my intention be in alignment with you, the cosmic you. That's how I start my day. Yeah. That's how I start my day. I still wake up ten years later. September 15 is going to be my ten years of being pain free. Ten years and ten days. Sorry? September 15, ten days at the 25th was when I got up out of that bed, pain free on the back. I still wake up in the morning like I'm just a kid at a Christmas. I can't believe this is my life. It's interesting. It's interesting. When I was in the pain, I was grateful. I had family support, an amazing husband and son who supported me, and doctors did the best they could. All the healthcare people around me were amazing, but I always felt like supported by this other force, which we can't even name. Really?
Mahara Wayman [00:41:18]:
Yeah. Well, we all call it different things, right? God source universe. It doesn't matter what you call it. But I love your story so much. So much. You've done a lot. And the work that you do is so needed and so magical. My hope is that everybody that's listening, guys, reach out to Elizabeth. If you're near her, drop in and see her. Just connect with her and see if she can help you because she's just a fountain of wisdom. And what I'm hearing is you have never forgotten to be grateful and to ask for guidance and support in the work that you're bringing to the world, which I think is beautiful. Is there something that you say to yourself before you go to bed? I'm curious.
Elizabeth Kipp [00:42:08]:
I say thank you again, but I have to explain this gratitude thing. I seriously think that I came in with that frequency. That gift was from the ancestor. I didn't think that up. I always had that, really? When it hit the fan at home when I was a kid. And I mean, as far back as I can remember, I'm like, yeah, this is horrible, but I have a roof over my head and I've got clothes on my back and I've got clean water and I always had this. So I didn't think that up. That's another reason why I came in with burden for my ancestors, but I came in with some powerful gifts and those are the things. It's not just me being able to face my fears and face life on life turns that makes me a badass. It's all the stuff my ancestors went through and passed on to me that allowed me to be that person.
Mahara Wayman [00:43:08]:
I love. Love. We're going to have to do another episode where we talk about ancestors and maybe past lives and things like that. It would be very interesting. Elizabeth, I can't thank you enough for joining me today. This has been a really beautiful conversation. I'm so pleased that you found Peter, and I'm so pleased that you are taking all of your gifts and are giving back to the world because it is definitely needed and you're doing a great job. So thank you for all that you.
Elizabeth Kipp [00:43:38]:
Do well, thank you so much. This was a delightful conversation.
Mahara Wayman [00:43:44]:
Those of you that are listening, this has been Mahara with her guest Elizabeth. My guest, Elizabeth KIPP. Tune in next week for another beautiful episode, and if you've got any questions, you know how to reach both of us because it'll be in the show notes. Have an amazing week and I'll see you next time on The Art of Badassery. Thank you for tuning in to The Art of Badassery. I hope you enjoyed today's episode and gained valuable insights to help unleash your inner badass. If you found this podcast helpful, please leave a rating or review on your favorite platform. Your feedback not only helps me improve the show, but it also helps others like yourself discover the podcast. Until next time, keep embracing your authenticity and living life on your terms. Here's to.
